Pokermaster Potential Collusion
First of all, I understand that this topic is not specific to Hand2Note. However I do think that this topic is very much in the interest of Hand2Notes client base and the poker community in general.
I also felt that airing this on a forum such as 2+2 would attract too much attention to the PokerMaster app for obvious reasons.
I believe at least in my own games and clubs there is significant collusion occuring in some fashion for the following reasons:
a) Many of the 30/20 and 35/20 type regulars have played almost 15000 hands over the past 30 days. This equates to approximately 8 hours a day (!!!)
b) Many of these regulars who sit at the same table have played a very similar number of games in the past 30 days.
c) The 30/20 type stats make some sense for a potential colluder; having knowledge that the CO/BTN/HJ will fold incentivises an EP/MP player to open very wide, or knowing 3 other players hole cards clearly create very profitable 3betting situations.
I have always accepted that with this app there will always be some sort of collusion due to its nature; with that being said I think the magnitude of the collusion is so bad that some of the games are now completely unbeatable even at the 5/10 - 20/40 level.
I encourage anyone to share their thoughts here or to PM me. I personally do not know many people who play PM so would be interested to hear your own thoughts if you play the games regularly yourself.
If anyone is interested in discussing it further I've created a discord which I welcome you to join and share your thoughts.
Discord invite no longer valid.
if u have a wechat? Notice me, mine is wonderting
Link don't work. Could you create a skype group
I decided to close the original discord for a reason I dont really want to mention.
I've since changed my mind and you can access the new one here https://discord.gg/um8J2u.
To follow up the above and playing further I don't think these are bots; with that said I do think theres there is likely (although I can't rule out) significant collusion in some fashion.
I am interested since I have made similar observations and like to talk about it.
Collusion is a very common thing, almost 1/2 tables have them. There are 2 types of collusion - Regs and fish that play on 2 phones for example.
@jason192 interested in being in the discord group if you guys are still discussing this. Let me know
This group still going?
Hi active grinders, join this so we can have an active chat among grinders!
Just about every single player you see with 30/20 stats and over 10k hands played on the account is a bot. Period. It's a gigantic issue. There's 1-3 at every table in a lot of the clubs with bigger traffic.